Comments on: SMX Advanced 2008: Give It Up http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/ SEO and Marketing Blog Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:51:58 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: R http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-17747 R Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:35:41 +0000 http://www.bruceclay.com/blog-test/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/#comment-17747 <p>I am interested in learning a lot more about the SEO industry. After reading this, I almost can't wait to join in. These blog brawls are almost better than TV! </p> I am interested in learning a lot more about the SEO industry. After reading this, I almost can’t wait to join in. These blog brawls are almost better than TV!

]]> By: Will http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-17746 Will Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:30:46 +0000 http://www.bruceclay.com/blog-test/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/#comment-17746 Matt Cutts was in the room last year listening to the Give it up Session. I take it that didn't happen this year...:) Matt Cutts was in the room last year listening to the Give it up Session. I take it that didn’t happen this year…:)

]]> By: chris boggs http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-17745 chris boggs Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:22:12 +0000 http://www.bruceclay.com/blog-test/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/#comment-17745 <p>Great coverage thanks Lisa! I agree with Marty maybe you should take out the jerk comment as no matter his tactical choices he certainly is no jerk.</p> <p>Andrew's question above about the older domain crossed my mind too, but when I re-read it seems that the older domain is getting dinged for not having built up enough links over the years. Is that right? It is very interesting theory that could change some people's perceptions about domain age alone, and force them to map what should be a "natural" amount of links for a given industry site over a certain period of time.</p> <p>Tough choice but my "winning" idea in this list is the "thin slicing" from Stephan...excellent advice for mega sites needing at least a little love in a non-concatenation schema style.</p> <p></p> Great coverage thanks Lisa! I agree with Marty maybe you should take out the jerk comment as no matter his tactical choices he certainly is no jerk.

Andrew’s question above about the older domain crossed my mind too, but when I re-read it seems that the older domain is getting dinged for not having built up enough links over the years. Is that right? It is very interesting theory that could change some people’s perceptions about domain age alone, and force them to map what should be a “natural” amount of links for a given industry site over a certain period of time.

Tough choice but my “winning” idea in this list is the “thin slicing” from Stephan…excellent advice for mega sites needing at least a little love in a non-concatenation schema style.

]]> By: Marty http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-17744 Marty Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:42:39 +0000 http://www.bruceclay.com/blog-test/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/#comment-17744 @Lisa: Doug didn't "snipe." He expressed his opinion, which he is surly entitled to do. Agree or not, his comment was completely OK with me. It takes all different perspectives to build community and nurture dialog. Those in Doug's camp serve a valuable function. Don't mistake his passion for lack of civility. Actually Lisa if you're <i>truly</i> interested in civility, YOU could start by removing the "SEO Jerk" strike-through above. Doesn't it strike you as a wee bit hypocritical to call someone a jerk in a post and then scold others, ostensibly for sniping in the ensuing thread? LOL I think the emperor has no clothes. Like your initial review of SMX Advanced, this thread is a tempest in a teapot. @Darren: Thank you for the kind words and for having the guts to buck the almighty tree-hugger SEOs. I received dozens of wonderful emails, phone calls and meet/greets regarding my "Give it Up" presentation. @Lisa: Doug didn’t “snipe.” He expressed his opinion, which he is surly entitled to do. Agree or not, his comment was completely OK with me. It takes all different perspectives to build community and nurture dialog. Those in Doug’s camp serve a valuable function. Don’t mistake his passion for lack of civility.
Actually Lisa if you’re truly interested in civility, YOU could start by removing the “SEO Jerk” strike-through above.
Doesn’t it strike you as a wee bit hypocritical to call someone a jerk in a post and then scold others, ostensibly for sniping in the ensuing thread? LOL I think the emperor has no clothes.
Like your initial review of SMX Advanced, this thread is a tempest in a teapot.
@Darren: Thank you for the kind words and for having the guts to buck the almighty tree-hugger SEOs. I received dozens of wonderful emails, phone calls and meet/greets regarding my “Give it Up” presentation.

]]> By: Lisa Barone http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-17743 Lisa Barone Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:56:11 +0000 http://www.bruceclay.com/blog-test/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/#comment-17743 <p>@Marty, @Doug:</p> <p>Let's debate the post and the techniques discussed and leave the personal snipes at the door. Deal? </p> @Marty, @Doug:

Let’s debate the post and the techniques discussed and leave the personal snipes at the door. Deal?

]]> By: Darren Slatten http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-17742 Darren Slatten Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:32:41 +0000 http://www.bruceclay.com/blog-test/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/#comment-17742 @Marty... I had the pleasure of hearing your presentation at SMX Advanced, and I just want to show my support and appreciation by leaving a comment here. It's a shame that being whitehat and "ethical" has become synonymous with being naive and narrow-minded. Ironically, it is these self-proclaimed whitehat "humanitarians" that consistently prejudge, disrespect, and insult the members of the SEO community that express different opinions. Kudos to you for keeping your composure and for defending your ideas without resorting to personal attacks. For what it's worth, I would prefer to read 100 positive comments left by bots, rather than choke down another ignorant comment from one of these pretentious "real" people. Thank you for sharing your ideas at SMX. I look forward to hearing more of your presentations in the future. Darren Slatten @Marty…
I had the pleasure of hearing your presentation at SMX Advanced, and I just want to show my support and appreciation by leaving a comment here.
It’s a shame that being whitehat and “ethical” has become synonymous with being naive and narrow-minded. Ironically, it is these self-proclaimed whitehat “humanitarians” that consistently prejudge, disrespect, and insult the members of the SEO community that express different opinions.
Kudos to you for keeping your composure and for defending your ideas without resorting to personal attacks. For what it’s worth, I would prefer to read 100 positive comments left by bots, rather than choke down another ignorant comment from one of these pretentious “real” people.
Thank you for sharing your ideas at SMX. I look forward to hearing more of your presentations in the future.
Darren Slatten

]]> By: Doug Heil http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-17741 Doug Heil Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:05:37 +0000 http://www.bruceclay.com/blog-test/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/#comment-17741 <p>I'm always amazed by the very different mindsets. Every industry has the same thing, but this SEO industry is truly in a class all it's own. As has been said countless times now:</p> <p>"We wonder why the industry has a bad reputation."</p> <p>Anyone who wants to know why simply has to read the many SEO blogs out there and/or visit one of the three major conferences to find out exactly why.</p> <p>SMX and it's give it up session. SES and it's social media session discussing how to trick everyone to gain more social media links.</p> <p>Isn't it obvious to everyone?</p> <p>Marty; hmm. I'm not sure what a cape and mask has to do with me, as I don't go around deceiving people for link juice. If anyone wears a cape and mask, I'd say you do, right? Creating multiple user accounts and adding friends in them, and doing all you can to game the social sites and Google, etc, and then saying that "I" have a cape and mask? lol </p> I’m always amazed by the very different mindsets. Every industry has the same thing, but this SEO industry is truly in a class all it’s own. As has been said countless times now:

“We wonder why the industry has a bad reputation.”

Anyone who wants to know why simply has to read the many SEO blogs out there and/or visit one of the three major conferences to find out exactly why.

SMX and it’s give it up session.
SES and it’s social media session discussing how to trick everyone to gain more social media links.

Isn’t it obvious to everyone?

Marty; hmm. I’m not sure what a cape and mask has to do with me, as I don’t go around deceiving people for link juice. If anyone wears a cape and mask, I’d say you do, right? Creating multiple user accounts and adding friends in them, and doing all you can to game the social sites and Google, etc, and then saying that “I” have a cape and mask? lol

]]> By: Brian White http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-17740 Brian White Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:17:38 +0000 http://www.bruceclay.com/blog-test/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/#comment-17740 LOL at Marty's problem with inauthentic avatars yet advocacy of artifically overinflated breadcrumb avatars. LOL at Marty’s problem with inauthentic avatars yet advocacy of artifically overinflated breadcrumb avatars.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-17739 Andrew Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:08:29 +0000 http://www.bruceclay.com/blog-test/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/#comment-17739 <p><i>"The domain that was created in 2006 had its ad jacked up to $10.00. The domain from 2008 was just $.75."</i></p> <p>Is this correct? That the newer domain was trusted more than the older one? </p> “The domain that was created in 2006 had its ad jacked up to $10.00. The domain from 2008 was just $.75.”

Is this correct? That the newer domain was trusted more than the older one?

]]> By: Marty http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-17738 Marty Fri, 04 Jul 2008 03:24:57 +0000 http://www.bruceclay.com/blog-test/2008/07/smx-advanced-2008-give-it-up/#comment-17738 @Doug: Do you take off your cape and mask when you sleep? :) @Doug: Do you take off your cape and mask when you sleep? :)

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