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		<title>By: Virginia Nussey</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/2009/07/seo-strategy-for-semantic-search/comment-page-1/#comment-18655</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia Nussey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Virginia here again. I got an email from David Harry which adds another dimension to the discussion. He said I could share some of it here. Snip:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
Now, first of I am also happy we didn&#039;t get into the whole LSI and Google
mantra that SEOs have been yapping about for a few years. That all started
with the purchase of Applied Semantics back in 03. Ye can read all about
that here; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huomah.com/search-engines/algorithm-matters/stay-off-the-lsi-bandwagon.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.huomah.com/search-engines/algorithm-matters/stay-off-the-lsi-bandwagon.html&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
Now, since we&#039;re passed that, I am more inclined to think along the lines of
PLSA (as well as LDA and HTMM) as the engineers over there did seem to have
a fancy for it in 07; &lt;a href=&quot;http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2007/09/openhtmm-released.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2007/09/openhtmm-released.html&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
Also, there was mention of the semantics relating to the Google expanded
snippets. That part, while possibly using some form of semantic analysis, is
part of the Orion algorithm from Ori Allon;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huomah.com/Search-Engines/Algorithm-Matters/New-Algo-Changes-at-Google.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.huomah.com/Search-Engines/Algorithm-Matters/New-Algo-Changes-at-Google.html&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
And of course we&#039;d be remiss if we didn&#039;t look at Anna Patterson&#039;s - Phrase
based indexing and retrieval (formal Googler now running Cuil) which are
also potential pieces to the semantic puzzle at Google; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huomah.com/search-engines/algorithm-matters/phrase-based-optimization-resources.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
http://www.huomah.com/search-engines/algorithm-matters/phrase-based-optimization-resources.html&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
[...]
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
I do agree will Phill&#039;s comments though, understanding how search engines
are using semantic analysis (and other methods) to define concepts is
something not well discussed in the industry. Considering that the lion&#039;s
share of search each day are ambiguous and new, (according to Google), they
are constantly toying with signals such as semantic analysis (which works
hand in hand with query analysis) to better understand what the user is
looking for.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
But...
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;So Phill deduced that Google&#039;s using LSA to analyze link equity as well as
for serving queries. &quot; - well, this once more doesn&#039;t prove LSA... but some
type of theme/concept categorization (possibly). Since we know LSI was for
ad matching, and Phrase Based IR was for the organic (both puchased the same
year) we could also (incorrectly) make the assumption that those link
valuations are what is causing this. But wait, early the next year (2004)
they purchased Kaltix and their Personalized PageRank approaches... also
widely believed to be part of the anchor text valuations that hit in
&#039;05-06... hmmmmm...
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huomah.com/Search-Engines/Search-Engine-Optimization/Personalized-PageRank-a-user-sensitive-affair.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.huomah.com/Search-Engines/Search-Engine-Optimization/Personalized-PageRank-a-user-sensitive-affair.html&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
Pont being, that we can&#039;t jump the gun and start calling Google semantic
analysis any one flavour at this point. Applied Semantics was an ad matching
technology using LSI; we can&#039;t assume it was added to the reg search
processes (phrase based approach was the same year). I just wanted to add
some perspective lest we get another spat of SEOs peddling &#039;Google LSI
Compliant&#039; serices once more (circa 2006).
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
M&#039;kay?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
Personally, I work with building out semantic concepts with my SEO programs,
but I don&#039;t limit my study of them to one aspect (such as LSA/I). Many times
I talk to people about losing the old school &#039;KW density&#039; and to think more
in core, secondary and related phrase ratios. This applies to not only
on-page factors, but links as well (where possible). To that end I whole
heartedly agree with the core assertions being made in the post, ust wanted
to clear up some of Google&#039;s history and broaden the potential suspects (and
steer the crap SEOs away from the re-birth of Google LSI Programs)...
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virginia here again. I got an email from David Harry which adds another dimension to the discussion. He said I could share some of it here. Snip:</p>
<p>
<blockquote>
Now, first of I am also happy we didn&#8217;t get into the whole LSI and Google<br />
mantra that SEOs have been yapping about for a few years. That all started<br />
with the purchase of Applied Semantics back in 03. Ye can read all about<br />
that here; <a href="http://www.huomah.com/search-engines/algorithm-matters/stay-off-the-lsi-bandwagon.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huomah.com/search-engines/algorithm-matters/stay-off-the-lsi-bandwagon.html</a>.
</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>
Now, since we&#8217;re passed that, I am more inclined to think along the lines of<br />
PLSA (as well as LDA and HTMM) as the engineers over there did seem to have<br />
a fancy for it in 07; <a href="http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2007/09/openhtmm-released.html" rel="nofollow">http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2007/09/openhtmm-released.html</a>
</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>
Also, there was mention of the semantics relating to the Google expanded<br />
snippets. That part, while possibly using some form of semantic analysis, is<br />
part of the Orion algorithm from Ori Allon;<br />
<a href="http://www.huomah.com/Search-Engines/Algorithm-Matters/New-Algo-Changes-at-Google.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huomah.com/Search-Engines/Algorithm-Matters/New-Algo-Changes-at-Google.html</a>
</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>
And of course we&#8217;d be remiss if we didn&#8217;t look at Anna Patterson&#8217;s &#8211; Phrase<br />
based indexing and retrieval (formal Googler now running Cuil) which are<br />
also potential pieces to the semantic puzzle at Google; <a href="http://www.huomah.com/search-engines/algorithm-matters/phrase-based-optimization-resources.html" rel="nofollow"><br />
</a><a href="http://www.huomah.com/search-engines/algorithm-matters/phrase-based-optimization-resources.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huomah.com/search-engines/algorithm-matters/phrase-based-optimization-resources.html</a>
</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>
[...]
</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>
I do agree will Phill&#8217;s comments though, understanding how search engines<br />
are using semantic analysis (and other methods) to define concepts is<br />
something not well discussed in the industry. Considering that the lion&#8217;s<br />
share of search each day are ambiguous and new, (according to Google), they<br />
are constantly toying with signals such as semantic analysis (which works<br />
hand in hand with query analysis) to better understand what the user is<br />
looking for.
</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>
But&#8230;
</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>
&#8220;So Phill deduced that Google&#8217;s using LSA to analyze link equity as well as<br />
for serving queries. &#8221; &#8211; well, this once more doesn&#8217;t prove LSA&#8230; but some<br />
type of theme/concept categorization (possibly). Since we know LSI was for<br />
ad matching, and Phrase Based IR was for the organic (both puchased the same<br />
year) we could also (incorrectly) make the assumption that those link<br />
valuations are what is causing this. But wait, early the next year (2004)<br />
they purchased Kaltix and their Personalized PageRank approaches&#8230; also<br />
widely believed to be part of the anchor text valuations that hit in<br />
&#8216;05-06&#8230; hmmmmm&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.huomah.com/Search-Engines/Search-Engine-Optimization/Personalized-PageRank-a-user-sensitive-affair.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huomah.com/Search-Engines/Search-Engine-Optimization/Personalized-PageRank-a-user-sensitive-affair.html</a>
</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>
Pont being, that we can&#8217;t jump the gun and start calling Google semantic<br />
analysis any one flavour at this point. Applied Semantics was an ad matching<br />
technology using LSI; we can&#8217;t assume it was added to the reg search<br />
processes (phrase based approach was the same year). I just wanted to add<br />
some perspective lest we get another spat of SEOs peddling &#8216;Google LSI<br />
Compliant&#8217; serices once more (circa 2006).
</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>
M&#8217;kay?
</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>
Personally, I work with building out semantic concepts with my SEO programs,<br />
but I don&#8217;t limit my study of them to one aspect (such as LSA/I). Many times<br />
I talk to people about losing the old school &#8216;KW density&#8217; and to think more<br />
in core, secondary and related phrase ratios. This applies to not only<br />
on-page factors, but links as well (where possible). To that end I whole<br />
heartedly agree with the core assertions being made in the post, ust wanted<br />
to clear up some of Google&#8217;s history and broaden the potential suspects (and<br />
steer the crap SEOs away from the re-birth of Google LSI Programs)&#8230;
</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/2009/07/seo-strategy-for-semantic-search/comment-page-1/#comment-18654</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virginia,
your right in that the mechanics of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.resoluted.com/search_engine_optimization/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SEO&lt;/a&gt; is changing rapidly. The truth is that search engines are developing more powerful ways to return relevant results.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virginia,<br />
your right in that the mechanics of <a href="http://www.resoluted.com/search_engine_optimization/" rel="nofollow">SEO</a> is changing rapidly. The truth is that search engines are developing more powerful ways to return relevant results.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perry</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/2009/07/seo-strategy-for-semantic-search/comment-page-1/#comment-18653</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Appreciate the science-y part, but what about sites that don&#039;t necessarily stick to a single topic? CNN is about money, news, celebrity, etc., ad nauseum. Their footprint is going to be much different (and potentially detrimental) caompared to a site that is specifically about a single topic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regardless, fascinating stuff. Easily the best article I&#039;ve read this week. Thanks for pulling this together.
&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appreciate the science-y part, but what about sites that don&#8217;t necessarily stick to a single topic? CNN is about money, news, celebrity, etc., ad nauseum. Their footprint is going to be much different (and potentially detrimental) caompared to a site that is specifically about a single topic.</p>
<p>Regardless, fascinating stuff. Easily the best article I&#8217;ve read this week. Thanks for pulling this together.</p>
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